Chris Naoki Lee // Special Episode // Promoting Social Change and Diverse Representation With “Dinner Party”

Welcome to the Special Episode of the Asian Hustle Network Podcast! We are very excited to have Chris Naoki Lee on this week's episode.

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Christopher Naoki Lee is a Los Angeles native, with a BFA in theater from New York University, and has been working in the industry for nearly 25 years, recently wrapping up a season long arc as Ken Uehara on the critically acclaimed AMC series, The Terror. He’s recurred on Amazon’s Too Old To Die Young and Jean Claude Van Johnson, Apple TV+’s Mythic Quest, among others.

Chris has written and directed digital series to pilots, but his feature film directorial debut, Dinner Party, is far more personal. He wanted to tell the story of a group of diverse friends, not dissimilar to his experience, that have to grapple with the changing of their current times, where issues of race, gender equality, classism have come to the fore front of the modern conversation. His aim for this film is to help facilitate that dialogue even further, showing that there is always more than one side to a story, and that we can become a beacon of positive change if we so choose to be. As a person of color, it’s an honor for Chris Naoki Lee to depict such a diverse ensemble on screen with these incredible collaborators on Dinner Party. It truly takes a village.

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Intro: (00:00:00) Hey guys, welcome to Asian Hustle Network Podcast, My name is Bryan. 

And my name is Maggie 

And we interview Asian entrepreneurs around the world to amplify their voices and empower Asiansto pursue their dreams and goals.

We believe that each person has a message and a unique story from their entrepreneurial journey that they can share with all of us.

Maggie: (00:00:23) Hi, everyone. Welcome to the Asian hustle network podcast. Today, we have a very special guest with us. His name is Philip Lamb. Phillip is the co-founder of founders HK, which is a nonprofit, a nonpartisan, and a Hong Kong US-based organization. Founders HK is a community where Hong Kong founders can get connected, get support from others, be mentored and learn from each other. He’s also the co-founder of next team, Inc, which is a mobile AI company founded by second time entrepreneurs Philip, welcome to the show


Philip: (00:00:53)  . Thank you for having me.


Bryan: (00:00:56)    It fell up. We’re so excited to have you to show and what you guys are working on with your current company is so cool. I just have to put it out there, you know, before we dive deep into that, I want to hear more about your background and your experience. Um, did you grow up in the states? Did you grow up in Hong Kong and how, how did you eventually make your way to sports?


Philip: (00:01:14)    Yeah, uh, sure. Um, so I actually born and raised in Hong Kong, uh, and even like finished my college degree. Uh, I moved to the U S uh, 12 years ago, uh, started, you know, working in some technology company, like, uh, I stopped by work for apple or work for Microsoft. Um, and you know, four years ago, uh, you know, I quit that call with a few colleagues and friends to sign up a company called nasty, uh, wishes, you know, uh, we call it a Southern mobile AI. Uh, but we started right with sought like basketball, um, per se, um, you know, I could dive deeper into that or, you know, like, uh, just another brief, you know, the other organizations you mentioned that I found it, uh, uh, you know, like last year, you know, actually right before. Um, I also started this off in that station called Honduras, Hong Kong, um, with other friends at Kleiner, um, basically, you know, to, to, you know, to a point they actually set, like to help out with the hot stock bridge down with us to come by, to come see you.


Bryan: (00:02:19)     Wow. That’s so cool sphere. And I’m curious, I’m curious. Everything you worked on is beyond just a point of reference. So you worked as a apple engineer in that bowl manager. Right. At what moment throughout your entire software engineering career that you’re like, you know what, I’m going to start a company. And then what was the transition like? And what was that mindset like transitioning over from a relatively high salary, you know, Appleby engineering manager to being a startup. Great income does not necessarily guarantee. And what was that? What was that transition like?

Philip: (00:02:55)    Yeah. Uh, I think that I can walk back a little bit, uh, to my childhood as you’re interested in my story, you know, related phone call. Um, so all my common was the frilly good place. And, um, you know, I ended up in a actually middle kind of bit on the world-class, uh, family know. And then, you know, they, they are closed right now. In fact, my mom have to come up to work after elementary school, uh, work for the family, you know, pretty grassroots, uh, you know, they both loved me a lot, I would say, uh, for sure. Uh, and, and, and you know how to be a lot supporting me not, um, but you know, the, the education and culture and environment in Hong Kong, I think even though it’s a, it was a grease. I it’s a great city. Um, but I, I would say, you know, comparing to the us after I come to you actually tell, you know, what the it’s just really more about following rules. You know, system and you know, like a lot of people saw, expect certain path growing up, you know, rather than, you know, the myself, oh, you, you should do whatever you like or you know, that you can do whatever it wants to, you know, I, I don’t remember getting that kind of mindset at all. You know, when I grew up in Hong Kong, um, uh, one, this one treading coin, you know, which I think really shaped, you know, my. My growth or, you know, my career path a lot, uh, was when I was in college. So, um, what happened is, you know, in Hong Kong, like even, even the college system is very inflexible. Uh, you know, we have to pick a very specific major very early on in high school. Like, uh, I remember at that time I had my foot to the major peak was caught in formation. You know, typically people don’t even know what that is, you know, in high school. Uh, it was a cool, you know, what I major at that time, right? Like since, you know, reishi and you know, it was a little bit around, you know, actually after the bus But, you know, those things doesn’t go across the Pacific. I shouldn’t  that quickly. I remember that kind of gave us know every tack was plus, but almost okay. Still cool. Uh, I took that and I got it. You know, I got in by first choice, which supposed to be really good. Uh, but it turns out, you know, I, I struggle a lot, I, in the first year, and I know deep down in my heart that, you know, science in math was, was my passion. Um, and. I struggle a lot in the first year. I don’t know what to do. Um, turn some, you know, like it’s really, you know, the desire of, of, of my heart to say, you know, I, I really think at that time I have to try, you know, studying math, like no matter what, um, I wanted to be a professor, um, I that’s that’s, that’s the mindset. I still remember that because the desire was so strong and I feel that if I don’t try that, yeah. I’m going to regret, even though I didn’t take math at the beginning, because I know that’s also a great thing. Just path in terms of carrier, because very few success, you know, you know, being a bad professor, but long story short, you know, uh, because of the se sire, what happened was, you know, I, I, you know, I make a choice or I all of a sudden have the inspiration to say, you know, how about, so first of all, if I need to make a change, I can not do it. A cease of the se. I have to apply into a second year. And, you know, I hope some guarantee and I have to do it one more year, uh, to finish the degree. And at that time, I think in Hong Kong, it was a big thing when we were young. Oh, I need one more year for the school. What I did was I wanted to try it before I really confirmed that tension or go with that route. So I decided to have a four. Hi my second year. Um, and you know, like give it a try in Canada or us or whatever. Can you talk me? Uh, if I confirm that I liked that passion, then I go back, I transfer, I still take one more year, but at least, you know, I’ve done more exposure to north America or somewhere. And I got confirmed on my question, um, and OSI that process, first of all, is very tough because I got rejected. Uh, three times by the exchange office, you know, they said my English wasn’t good. And I think that at that time, uh, you know, they’re worried that I wouldn’t be able to add that to the light in the U S um, it turns out, you know, You know, I’ve just grabbed chance because I know a friend who got in one school, but, uh, you know, turns out she, she, she jumped off. She doesn’t want to go in and, and the university is just slow for people. So I, I talked out, but too many go into the office. And come back to them and they finally, uh, that you don’t. So what happened was, you know, I successfully, uh, exchange in Canada the second year, uh, really happy, excited, uh, confirm my passion, uh, to BMF professor. Uh, and I drove back to, you know, uh, to, to, to my Hong Kong college and then chase a major and that graduate, that that’s something that’s major at that time. Um, what happened during the, I think two things. One was, you know, The exposure to north America was eyeopening to be, uh, I have to admit that, you know, that was the first time I took a flight. Uh, you know, I was definitely like, Last year, last year, you guys. So I didn’t take, I didn’t get a chance to even fly out childhood that much. Um, so it’s a lot of new things to be, uh, looking at how the us education system, as you know, how more, you know, why open and open minded or, you know, I will tell that, you know, people. I have a lot of freedom. You know, I studied at USC, my opening eye opening for me. Uh, the sales thing, I think I didn’t claim ruined eyes at that time, but looking back, uh, from my path, uh, I think the, the hustle of, you know, getting through that and, you know, like being able to succeed to pursue, you know, my. You know, uh, actually he kind of planted some seed in my mind, uh, to help you make a model of these difficult changes, uh, along the way, you know, like, because as I tell you, you know, at that time, I, my thought is to get professors. Uh, in terms of how to go back to Hong Kong and do math. And then I graduated. I also applied for, for honest, uh, school abroad to do a math degree and this line come to us. Uh, but very quickly when I do a math PhD program in the first year, and it was this recession us to me, I can wait to the tightening this year. And then, you know, again, like in apple, you know, I jumped all to Stata. I think that that’s the same mindset. There’s always some little, you know, trigger it in my heart telling me, okay. You know, when you’re not at the right past, you know, you have to make a change and, you know yeah. Those, these experiences, uh, getting through it and knowing that as long as I followed their heart, You know, don’t resell typically it’s not too bad. You know, I I’m really living my life. I know financial needs your point. Like any, like some of these things may be not as good, but by, you know, to be like being able to live out my life day to day is really important. And I screamed and said, that’s why I know. I, I just, I think that shape, that shape all these decisions.


Bryan: (00:10:24)     Uh, yeah, it’s, uh, definitely a lot on back right there. And I really admire like the fact that you went for it and pursue your passion. You finally, the family wasn’t right. You know, so I really, I feel like those type of people, those type entrepreneurs are the ones that succeed because to them money’s not important. But it’s like time an opportunity to do it and seize the moment. It’s more important, the experience, you know?


Philip: (00:10:49)    Yeah. You probably never thought you wouldn’t have thought for money.


Bryan: (00:10:57)     They don’t want to say as a, you know, just come back to Hong Kong. So your university that rejected your transfer saying I love that. Yeah.


Maggie: (00:11:16)  I love that. I just like your resiliency too. And like you being born in Hong Kong and going back to the states, you know, I’m sure that was extremely hard. Just experiencing a culture shock as well.


Bryan: (00:11:27)     Yeah. And for our listeners naggy. Her family is also, you mean leaving, you found the connection between Phillip and Maggie already through their experience. A little bit surprised to hear that because I know Hong Kong, they, a lot of people speak English really well. So hats off to you. It’s, uh, for you to sort of adapt from Hong Kong culture to American culture and, and. I want to talk about your company right now. Cause this is sort of relevant. Yeah. That’s Thomas recording. Um, the NB, the NBA draft just happened, right? Like your, your next team. Like it it’s so cool because you guys are, you guys have connections to like the Josiah, Brooklyn nets, you know, mark Cuban owner of the Dallas Mavericks. A lot of these really famous athletes have invested into your application. Right. And you know, starting to do a story about, you know, this, this guy who would a big dream for Hong Kong coming here as a software engineer, engineering became an engineering manager to starting this company that is pretty much pop culture. Right. How did you develop such a passion for. For sports and this particularly the NBA and how does this whole thing come about?


Philip: (00:12:58)    Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I can talk about that too. So first of all, is this really a team effort? So I started the company, uh, to get out with, uh, three other friends called, um, from apple. We quit together. Um, and, and, you know, they all from Hong Kong too, by the way. So we, I really like in Hong Kong, we started actually it both. At the same time. So we have two co-founders that USA Hong Kong, uh, we’ve all worked for apple before. Um, so, uh, you know, on why you get to this idea, oh, you know, the passion, I think that’s really two things. Um, one design, you know, so the story was like, you know, we, you know, we actually all work in that put together for a few years. Uh, we spend time in the printer. Uh, we always tell, you know, Uh, you know, like creating something on outsell, it’s, it’s always an outlet. Uh, my partner, you know, that they saw that first company to apple. That’s why, that’s how they got to actually succeed what they did in the first place. Um, so, so, so that’s already enough, but the question is, you know, what, you know, what would get us excited to pursue this time? Um, so this is two things, you know, one is sweetie, you know, And a passion in technology because all of us really engineering, all engineering manager from apple. So we are really strong, you know, think technical founding team, uh, you know, people would say, well, you’re missing some of these other area as a filing team, but, uh, we do follow you the hardest, the hardest people to gain. Engineer. Right. So I think we have a really good start and where we bring style, a lot of ideas at that time. Um, you know, the idea set, kindness attention. I’ll get us too excited. Uh, some idea with a core technology. Uh, so at that time, you know, computer wisher, because I think we haven’t explained a lot about other product, but the product is, uh, about using your phone camera. Uh, and you know, and the AI machine learning on the, on the phone itself, uh, to understand a lot of pasta, including shoot eight, uh, to why in some ball had any shading fruit Tamra at to use. So at that time, four years ago, combination technology on a phone was pretty good. Uh, it was really pretty much sure. And then we looked at a few of these technology. Um, this one got us really excited. And the second thing, you know, really Alpheus is basketball. I mean, uh, me and my partner, uh, you know, play, pick up basketball at a time in that role that we play regularly every week. Uh, I, myself, you know, I wasn’t professional at all, you know, but I played high school team back alcohol. Um, if we want to talk about NBA, you know, I can talk with me.


Maggie: (00:15:43)    Me and Brian are perfect for each other  all day as well. Yeah.


Bryan: (00:15:52)     Let’s talk more about next, you know, can you kind of, can we talked a little bit about the founding story, but what is next? So our listeners understand.


Philip: (00:16:01)     Yeah. Yeah. So, um, yeah, so just to continue a cycle, passion and basketball, uh, to combine with the technology, kind of get us into this idea, you know, all regionally, we, we, we are thinking product to capture our old pickup games with the phone camera and automatically cut, highlight, and, you know, generate like a skull. No. It’s like, you know, like, you know, we were saying, oh, we played pickup the amount of meat. I always forget, um, uh, my best shot that you’ll buy best pass. I actually like to pass more. That should, uh, but can we have, you know, our score a lot and we’ll highlight just like some of these NBA players, no one is going to do that for us. Uh, sometimes we, we cut, you know, we record ourselves. But, you know, cutting the game, you know, do all this editing. Uh, uh, so, so, you know, like that’s just a pretty crazy idea. Like, oh, we already capturing the game on our formula. Can we, can we use the AI to even type it for us? So it started from there, um, and very quickly, you know what I mean? We brought it to Marquette, you know, talk to the players, talk to the coaches and, and, you know, uh, we figured it out. We know for them, you know, a simple use cases like, oh, if you can use a full camera too. Capture my, my students shot even just hung it for me. Like, because the coaches will ask the student to put on an essay 1000 shot that week. Uh, really, you know, they come on cases. Uh, but that’s no proof, right? That’s no proof. They did it. There’s no proof on how well they do it. Uh, even the student themselves they’ll know the playing themselves though. So they say, oh, if you can just use a camera to calm the shot for me, it would be already extremely helpful. So we S we, we, when we started thinking about, and in Oklahoma, we think, oh, tracking Sean is actually, yeah. A subplot or some of that big global of cutting height. So why don’t we start there? Uh, so, you know, that’s, that’s kind of how we started making foam for our first product on that, which is, you know, uh, I explain it a little bit. It’s using the phone camera to train your basketball shot, give you real time analysis on, you know, where you make it, your beset, where you’re shooting it from providing you like a shot shot, even some advanced technical, advanced metrics, like release time. What kind of shot it is, you know, stuff like that. And we also be able to provide, you know, basketball at Feeney using the front-facing camera. You know, imagine putting, you know, I’ve had frozen funds, have you, uh, you know, you, you, you see a screen, you know, like the, he, I recognized her . And we project some object on the phone for you to interact with it while you’re dribbling. Uh, so we simulate a lot of these baskets through just on your phone and you know that you do it at four and you’re back down.


Bryan: (00:18:47)     Do we see in the NBA games where to show you charts? The directory and the angles and everything. It’s on your phone. That’s crazy.


Maggie: (00:18:55)    Yeah. It’s so interesting. I’ve never, I don’t think I’ve ever seen anything like that is so the track, the tracking and the charts as it, is it immediate results?


Philip: (00:19:04)     Yes. It’s everything is free.


Maggie: (00:19:08)    Wow. That’s amazing.


Bryan: (00:19:11)     I know. I can’t even, I’m also a software engineer. I’m trying to break it down in my head right now. Like, I don’t even know how you guys do that.


Philip: (00:19:20)     So we have a pretty big team. Uh,


Maggie: (00:19:25)    So, how do you, you know, in considering like the benchmark of like what the standard is, like, how they should improve, how do you, because everyone is different, right? And I like you have, maybe you have tall people, you have shorter people, um, body sizes, you know, obviously different for each person. So how do you determine what that benchmark is? What, what, what type of, um, what things they need to do to improve.

Bryan: (00:19:47)     Yeah. Awesome. Really best shooting form, direct critique. Brian you’re shooting it’s crap.


Philip: (00:19:55)     Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right now, like, uh, I think we definitely want to get this on point and it’s almost like, you know, like AI, like assistant coli for everybody. I mean, that would be awesome. Uh, right now it’s a little bit more like, you know, We provide two main things. One is the theater as the sat, we capture data in real time and you know, something that even the cumin I can see right there, how quick you release the ball while you do shooting, uh, you know, like, you know, like, um, like how high you jump and you put up the shot, it’s not easy to see by high, right? We provide those data for, for the player as well as you know, for the coach, uh, to, to, to provide a better. Uh, and you know, like we also provide some guidance. She needs to tell, you know, what you should do based on that. Uh, but I wouldn’t say, you know, we, we do an AI, uh, yeah. You know, to say, oh, you have to do this. Thanks. You know, uh, not there yet. So that’s why we provide them BI, uh, or, you know, auto, uh, detection to provide the. Uh, the other part is slightly provide some, all those really special change, uh, that you may not even get, you know, from coach, just like you don’t like those all handled exercise, some agility, SSIS. Uh, actually I love a younger kids, so, you know, I love that a lot because you know, think about baldhead. It’s very boring, you know, go and do that. Actually don’t even do that. Like, unless you’re a professional, like you have to force to do that. Otherwise, no one knew that, but we have a catalog of like more than 50 different ball handling jokes and the one ball to report a lot of different, uh, uh, object on, on the, on the, on the screen that you can interact with, uh, to symbolize different moves. Uh, you know, we have competition. We have for the, you know, board, we have teams and you can, you know, eat a joy. You don’t have a official muscular team or you can follow them coming to the team. So all of those things really help people to be even more engaged in change sometimes. And when you’re young, especially like you do more and you’re not doing it very, then you also kind of this a little bit off, like, you know, getting you if you’re more interested in a game kind of thing as well. No, rather than getting you better. Um, through app,


Bryan: (00:22:10)     I love that this app sounds so cool. You know, it’s like a dream app and also like, I just love the NBA. Um, I’m curious because you guys raised from pretty a level. People, right. Like Josiah and will Smith and, you know, mark Cuban, how did you get connected? Get connected to them and pitch to them because to, to us, at least to be Maggie, it’s they feel so unattainable. How do you recently like that?


Philip: (00:22:46)     Yeah. No, I think that’s really, that’s a lot of story. Um, but you know, I think. If I have to say one thing, first of all, you know, we have a great, you know, punish ship team, uh, you know, ha you know, we, we, we hustle to get a lot of disconnection. Um, but you know, I think it boils down to really, you know, whether you, uh, two things, you know, one is sweater. You, you truly believe in your mission or your passion or what you do. And second way that you can prove it, um, from an execution. Um, because you know, like we go through a lot. I think everybody, like everybody has like this to go through a lot of, you know, fundraising or, you know, hiring, you can just need to ask for help, um, from a lot of people and you get turned down at all and you know what I would think about leaving, see this site, somebody else assess, right. But some, a lot of these turned down, you know, people don’t see and you know, maybe for some entrepreneurial things. You know, the success didn’t show because, you know, it turns out something happened or they give up, you know, after being turned down a few tacks like sample, uh, you know, if you ask me, I think it’s really about every time when we get an opportunity, you know, we try our best to, to, you know, like, you know, to, to, to do the page or, you know, to do, to punish shape, to, to basically grab out the opportunity to, to, to do the best that we can. Um, to make a concrete sample, uh, you know, one trading point for the company. Um, it’s like, you know, we, we are really fortunate to be invited. Um, to be on the EPO stage in 2018, uh, you know, that was the April events, like the iPhone access events. That’s just one, uh, yeah, one of the street, one of those three, a development company that invited, uh, by our CEO, David, that Steve Nash, you should show your Yeah, present our product. Um, and that’s one of the big moment, um, because you know, like after that, you know, also then, you know, we kind of the whole, well, no, oh, that’s this next team doing this really cool, possible, um, application. Right. And like all these potty, see that, right? Like Eddie, this Nike NBA, all of a sudden. Other than they see that, like they also too confident because apple is randomly picks on them what most important. Right. But, but, but, but, but you know, the, the more important thing is how do we get there is all that, you know, randomly, you can get paid by apple, right? Like, like I couldn’t tell a lot on the process because it’s all, you know, like, you know, apple secret. Uh, I think the only thing I have to tell you, it’s like, it’s, you know, It’s harder than, you know, getting, you know, some, a, you know, a degree and measure, you know, message like the process of being able to get on apple stages is crazy. Uh, I think, you know, basically the idea is like they, they would get the best. Uh, at best the weather perfectly with them on the shape, um, the, the next generation of technology. So that’s the very serious selection process. Uh, you know, we, we try our best. You don’t, you know, we did fail. Um, it’s not the first time, uh, and turns out we’ve got this opportunity. Um, and you know, I think that’s one of the turning point, but looping back on how we get these, you know, amazing master is really a lot of failure happened also, but, you know, uh, people don’t see it, right? Like, uh, and, and we, we just got fortunate to get a few chances and some people like us sit up and feel the wishlist and they were willing to support us.


Bryan: (00:26:31)     So I looked at the show. Uh, hustling near me, me the right people at the right time really matters. And just having a great product for my reputation because you met Steve Nash and that opened the flood gates. All these athletes. I see. I’m just going to read some on those games is really interesting to me. Cause I see Steve Nash, Jeremy Lin, Fradley bill super Matthew, uh, Delon NOLA, Joe Harris. I’ll call for, you know, mild. Can we get you ready? Like these are all really, really good in the, yeah. There’s you know, and then the fact that you got them to invest and believe in your vision, if anything basketball. No the best about what’s best for the technology-wise. And we got a lot of the buy-in and belief. It just speaks volume to your passion and that technology that your team has created.


Philip: (00:27:25)     And it’s this really like, I do have to emphasize it’s a team effort, you know, we have a great partnership team and, and to your point, like point on it’s like the whole, a secure, um, uh, and child as to, to grab half an opportunity.

So, uh, we, we re we take tests.


Bryan: (00:27:42)     I love that. I love that a lot.


Maggie: (00:27:43)    Absolutely. I mean, being Annapolis stage, that is such a huge, huge feat, and it just speaks volumes to like the amount of work that you had to go through. And no one sees that, like you said, Philip, like no one sees the hard work and the sweat and tears that we have to put into it. They only see the success. Right. I, I, I do want to, you know, you did mention. Like you went through failures. Um, and I think a lot of us as entrepreneurs, we have to go through failures. Right. I do want to talk about that. Um, you know, you don’t have to go into specifics, but I want to know, like, how did you grow from it? You know, what, what was going through your mindset at that time? Um, and what did that failure teach you?


Philip: (00:28:25)     This, this, this a lot. Right. You know, one thing I, I learned like even I learned a lot through the past few years, so I’ll be send a promotion and even got back to my first story about being rejected a few times from bet exchange office. It’s almost like, you know, you know, you wouldn’t even, you know, one of the mindsets that you wouldn’t even categorize that as failure. You know, until you give up, right? Like, you know, some of these have rejections of these are like, you know, maybe setback or, you know, it might not be, you know, uh, the result may not be what you’re looking for. Uh, but you know, it’s like, how do you find failure? But to me, you know, like I think one thing I wrote with psych, you know, to really take that in more extreme, because like being an entrepreneur, like you, you just have to. No for me. Yes. Like the first time, you know, I know some, if you go through that and you’ve got a big name, like you probably get an easier path and your second time, but it’s almost like first time, you’re like a, nobody to start a company. Like you just have to. And where, you know, like a couple of things, one is saying, you just we’ll go through some of these unexpected results. I, the word failure, uh, or, you know, they sat back or, you know, rejection, uh, even, you know, some people will, you know, that you will feel to not be respected, but, uh, how, you know, how do you, how do you get through that? Like to be like, it always get back to, you know, It doesn’t necessarily have to be like the same thing by rebuttal. But for me, it’s always about the passionate, the hog in my ass, telling you that this is the right thing to do or not. Um, I think, I think, you know, this one thing pretty important as well, to be more practical and going through that, it’s like, uh, you know, you have to. You know, I’m not saying, like, I’m not saying that you always need to sit with, uh, your, you know, direction of what you think you should do this. That’s always a seminar, you know, whether you need to make some changes, I’ll make something for it. You know, learning about puts feedback, that feedback, right. Like, but the thing is really about, you know, like, um, do you, do you, do you, can you free your mind? To take these rejection as you know, sometime and other set of motivation or your boy, you know, sometimes we are a learning opportunity. Too, you know, you asked, you asked about pitching, you know, a lot of time, like you, you go pitch, uh, is sort of similar to you. Go ask for feedback, uh, almost the same thing. Um, and you know, if you would like it, if they ask me, can I get it? If you go Chris, you know, they don’t like you like out with them in the house, you fish, if they don’t get it, you know? Uh, so like one thing I learned very specific samples. Like, you know how well you tactic feedback. Uh, you know, through this, right? Like if, you know, you get rejected, you know, don’t, don’t, it’s pretty practical, just simple as that. You, you don’t worry about, you know, ask for honest feedback on, you know, why, why you think it doesn’t work. Um, sometimes you push that a bit more, you know, people. We’ll give you really honest depicts, you know, Rhonda, it sounds like some, some, some simple lights, you know, respond, right. Um, and you know, if you, you, you won’t eat to kind of, uh, you know, be a little bit more humble without it, but the ego and believing, you know, this is what I want to get to. I want to improve myself. I, I don’t mind you to take this feedback, even proactive to get these, I think these rejection, as you know, that’s an opportunity to learn and then get me to the next step. I think, I think that’s one lesson I learned. Um, and it’s not easy to, to be honest, especially coming out from a, from a corporate, you know, I think, I think that’s another thing I can share all that. Like it’s sort of different, you know, in a culprit, it’s almost like, you know, you have a, you have a pretty. You have a pretty narrow path to grow typically. Like you don’t want to make too much mistake because you know, you, you, you, you need to please your boss and your key, some of your peers and you get some success. Right. And if you make too much mistake and you’ve got rejected at all, people feel dumb. You know, like you’re not doing a good job then. Then there’s a good chance. You know, it takes you a lot of my effort to fix that. Or you go to an outcome, I think start up is three different, like wild. That’s just a whole world for you to explore and find the people who want to. So you, you know, you try your best, you make some mistake, uh, in the first couple of pitch, uh, you learn from it and you ask a bit that is okay. You know, there’s 200 invests out there. Right. I get that next time. Uh, and if you do that, like, I think if you can, if you can articulate your, your passion and mission well, and you do that unless shaded with your expertise. Uh, there’s a good chance. You know, you were some, you will find some supporter that’s willing to support you and you know, and you go from there, right? Like you keep going, you go from there, you get a chance to find, you know, like a supporter, you know, like, you know, better people, you know, that’s just, you know, kind of their mindset.


Bryan: (00:33:34)    Now that’s a lot. Yeah. He ever needs support. Filipino is from the Asian house network. We’re here to support you.  


Philip: (00:33:42)     Yeah. That’s an awesome, yeah, I don’t want to say enough what you guys do too. Uh, obviously, you know, I was, the only thing I’d do was it was similar to what you do, but did that, you know, smaller kind of company.


Bryan: (00:33:53)    Yeah. Uh, yeah. I mean your entire feedback and your mindset. It’s really clear to us to see how successful, like successful. You guys have been so far for you, your team. I love the fact that every time you refer. So your company, you always say the credit goes to my team. That’s, that’s a great quality of any, any leader that we see in the podcast. So really appreciate that as well. So I’m kinda curious too, like what is, what is next for nets, you know?


Philip: (00:34:20)     Yeah. I see. I see. Yeah. That’s a good question. Um, yeah, actually that’s the interesting thing is like we, we started with the next. The theme of next is also a bit, uh, related. So if you guys know what I want up to company that, that Steve jobs, uh, after he was laughed at, for the first time he created this next NXT company, uh, you know, we inspired by that. And we also, because at that time when we quit apple, uh, we, we, we really could, apple will be fine. So that’s the question of course, next in our mind. And we say, you know, we, we treasure team a lot too, so that’s why the company come next and that’s how it comes up. Uh, but then if it’s yourself back to your question, uh, in fact, we talked a lot about home, but, um, very recently we, you know, we also, we already launched a product called active, archaic. Which have some similarity on full court bit, but it’s an expansion of, you know, what we can do, you know, to the sport athlete or even in the health and fitness, uh, kind of, well, you know, we, we were doing something bad. Expand. We capable off, you know, to, to, to, to, to kind of revolutionize on obstacle to a baker, you know, school. So, so active on case, uh, you know, you would take some of these inspiration from home foot. Right? I told you some of these like chaining drill that you can interact with the front facing camera. Uh, some of these replies classical, some of these, uh, essentially like. Move and ready to knock our coal, for example, uh, you’re like jumping out of a word or hurdle, uh, that can rates, you know, that was some of these Cine like interacted a Yar, cheating on a full, how we provide, uh, what happened is, you know, we can inspire that, uh, theory from last year. A lot of people don’t play basketball, actually useful in court or hack phone call to do those kinds of things for their own group. B you know, we saw a soccer player to, to have a plastic, one through, to train in a soccer and we receive, and my family, you know, like . I would have kissed, you know, like they don’t, they don’t, they don’t meet at all. You know, that everybody can do it just to put a fall at home in your backyard. Right. Like really accessible. Um, we always know that, you know, what, they, we would expand to other spot. Um, but you know, COVID, uh, you know, this situation just, uh, really specs. Keep that up because we see a strong market. Um, so we can take the opportunity to expand the product, to, to, to add other, we see that off to another product to target another broader audience. We call it, we call it active archi. So from a need, because I can get a sense of what that is, uh, basically, uh, you can think of in this, like a serious off, um, recording motion, date, game, uh, that everybody can throw out, uh, you know, You, you kind of think of it a little bit, like, you know, um, Peloton or a little bit later, which, uh, Raymond fit. Um, but there’s a lot more accessible and even a lot more fun than somebody brings fit because our camera can that you see yourself, uh, you can see your whole family on how to do that. Uh, kiss me, love it. It’s easier to set up. Um, so, you know, like basically this is one thing that we did. Uh, working on right now is, uh, we just launch it, uh, actually a couple months ago. Um, and you know, the idea is to take this technology. To, to serve even a product or I guess, you know, basketball athlete, it’s just, you know, one type of, uh, you know, naturally fit people would play basketball. But, um, we also see the gap, you know, uh, honestly the world, you know, especially the younger generics have become white and what your back, which is right. And you know, not seeing they’re not, uh, not, not all of them are not good. But people like kids to spent all the time in those speeds, we are all for you. And not at all. Focus and family, you know, to this, this relay and we deal with them, but a more healthy view, uh, that, that you can play anywhere anytime.

That’s nice. So this is, you know, there’s something we’re working on right now. Um, so,


Bryan: (00:38:46)    uh, I love a lot of big, you guys are thinking, you know, and I, I love the fact that you’re bringing this technology that essentially is meant for pro players to, they really can. And I liked the fact that you guys are penetrating the health and fitness industry as well, because I feel like there needs to be more activity there and just all the time and someone or apps. Right. And I really like how low cost it is to just naturally move very cheap person.


Philip: (00:39:18)     Yeah. bringing into an average body like McCain assessable, um, that that’s, that’s true.


Maggie: (00:39:23)    Yeah. Yeah, I love it. I mean, so amazing. I think like, definitely there is a market there because throughout the whole pandemic, you know, a lot of people were trying to work out at home. Um, and now that we’re going back to normalcy, a lot of peoples are still working out at home, you know, now that they got the routine down. So it’s just amazing what you’re doing. Yeah. Personally, like, I love that you guys are, like Brian said, just expanding and reaching out to the general audience who are, who want to, you know, become more niche of fitness because I don’t play basketball, but I would like love something similar to active arcade, um, in my own sport that I’m interested in. So yeah. Yeah.


Bryan: (00:40:02)    The way you talk right about your next vision and what you guys want to do, it gives me. No, I think every day, it’s just the way you’ve been carrying the entire podcast in your story. It’s like you could feel your enthusiasm throughout the entire part tests. And then, you know, for most founders they lose their passion halfway through because it gets hard. But for you, I feel like you continue continuously focus on passion. And folks, are there things that, that make you happy and grind forward? So that’s awesome. That man, um, one final question for you. Next question is what advice would you have to a second time founder? Um, that’s looking to start a second venture because that’s a question that we typically never asked, cause he always asked about early entrepreneurs. What about second time entrepreneurs?


Philip: (00:40:52)     Yeah. Can I answer both because I think I, uh, I personally, well, you know, my, my team, you know, or my partner a second time, um, you know, I learned a lot from them. I appreciate this. This is my first time crystal. Um, so, uh, but I, you know, get back to your first question, you know, I, I can see, you know, while we running this company on a second time, you know, I think, you know, um, It depends on, obviously it depends on how successful your first time. Like, I think that’s always, you know, this interesting thing it’s like, you know, If you’re not necessary, uh, then hopefully, you know, you’re done to learn something and hopefully get, get, you know, some of these, uh, you know, are any, and that crushing a second time. Um, on the other hand, you know, if you got some success, you know, books on what I say, you, you set a company, uh, and if you win. And my feeling that’s, that’s mostly all of my feelings look like EDA, even though you work on the same, this sheet, all maybe like, especially, you’re not on the same. See me the sheet. If you want to post your question sometime note that the thing that you do in the last time that gets you success, uh, really may not. Uh, the world change the world, change a lot. Uh, I, I, I, I think the team, you know, at the beginning, like, even though we, you know, most of us second time, I can see, you know, we also grow along, uh, through the journey. It’s like, you know, sometimes it’s so easy to kind of, sort of start again as how you used it. Uh, you know, including, you know, working with the similar group of people, you know what I like doing some practice that you used to do. Um, but, but, you know, quickly, you know, we find that, you know, maybe, maybe we shouldn’t do that. Um, so maybe that’s a chat all for a second Tang, you know, like, At some point I kind of treated us and not at first time. And, you know, thinking about using like this post principle, um, uh, maybe it, how helpful was, well, uh, you know, just, just a limit on insight there. Uh, but for me it’s a first time and the Brunner, I think I share a few of those, uh, you know, already, you know, kind of throughout this story. Uh, you know, I think I gained like four me the most important thing, you know, uh, three things, you know, I think I heard from his, from another podcast. Say it very well. It’s like a passion persistent and people. Uh, the three P uh, I think like if I have to pick one off that I think, I think persistence. Oh, the hustle is the most important, because it’s easy to say you have a passion, then you can have a passion for three, three minutes, all three hours, three days. People, you know, like it’s very important, especially. Um, but, but my, you know, my spirit is on that journey site. You just need persistent audit. No matter, no matter which stage in other states, you just face challenges at the beginning, you face challenges to, to even get some little bit of support to get it going. Uh, if you get to relay some of these other roles to each other, Also challenged to right competition, like how to grow the team. Um, so I think like losing that basically, that there’s just so many points that you can chop. So, uh, I think it’s nothing to you. Um, you know, I think I liked you guys sneak to, uh, although it feels like really tough, but that’s just, you know what it is, you just have to get that SNL.


Bryan: (00:44:23)    Yeah, I really liked that you bring up a really good point, too. It is all about persistence at the end of the day and the hustle does matter because when you hustle, you find different opportunities, opportunities that you might have missed before, you know, so amazing there. Thank you for that. So how can our listeners find out more about you and reach out to you online?


Philip: (00:44:49)     Uh, yeah, I mean, they are product. Um, so we have two products now, so they, uh, you know, go to Hong Kong, I’ve got a, a in that’s the whole portfolio. Um, we actually still ramping to connected party, uh, product. Um, but you know, they search for active RT, uh, on our store or Google play store, download it. And we have some links there. So rallying to our Instagram, Facebook page, uh, to them or above it. Um, first of all, the. You know, like maybe, you know, you guys didn’t have me to put my LinkedIn somewhere online and you know, like if you’re from Hong Kong, actually, like if you are from Hong Kong and you are entrepreneurial, I don’t get much chest top off on this Hong Kong, but I would love to also connect you. So go to found this Hong Kong thought col, you know, check it out or, you know, just social fond, this song call on Facebook, Instagram, like hopefully, you know,


Maggie: (00:45:45)    Amazing. Yeah. I love what you’re doing with founders Hong Kong too, because it resonates with a lot of what we’re doing with Asian hustle network to connect, um, the founders and entrepreneurs, especially if Asian community.


Philip: (00:45:57)     Thanks.


Maggie: (00:45:58)    Awesome. Well, thank you so much for being on our show today. The lobby was amazing. Learning about your story. Thank you, Phil.


Philip: (00:46:05)     Thank you for having me again. It’s fun.


Bryan: (00:46:06)   Of course. Thank you, man. I appreciate your time and thank you for sharing your knowledge.  


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