Ally Maki // Season 2 // Special Episode // Redefining What it Means to be a Modern Asian American Woman

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Intro: (00:00:00) Hey guys, welcome to Asian Hustle Network Podcast, My name is Bryan. 

And my name is Maggie 

And we interview Asian entrepreneurs around the world to amplify their voices and empower Asiansto pursue their dreams and goals.

We believe that each person has a message and a unique story from their entrepreneurial journey that they can share with all of us.


Maggie: (00:00:23) So the Asian hustle network podcast today, we have a very special guest with us. Her name is Allie Mackey. Allie is a Japanese American actress and the founder of Asian-American girl club and apparel company, and social impact community that aims to redefine what it means to be a modern Asian American.

Allie can most recently be heard as the voice of beagle McDoubles and the Oscar award winning toy story four as the first Asian American woman in a lead role in the toy store, a universe as well as in free forms, Marvel series cloak and dagger, and the TBS comedy RET additionally should be seen as a QME in dare white people, and it on popular series, such as new girl, two broke girls NCI.

The big bang theory and 10 things. I hate about you as well as the role of men in the film geography club. Multi-talented Allie was signed to Columbia records upon arriving in Los Angeles at the age of 14 Mackey will next be seen in this. Home alone, reboot alongside Kenan Thompson, Ellie Kemper, and Rob Delaney beyond acting.

Allie is vocal about ensuring representation in Hollywood and is dedicated to her mission of creating equitable and promising opportunities for Asian Americans across all walks of life, especially amongst young women and the next generation, Allie, welcome to the show. We’re so excited to have you on alley.

So we’re just gonna jump right into it. So tell us about, you know, how you got into acting and it really why, you know, why you do what you do today.


Ally: (00:02:01)    Yeah. I started performing when I was six years old. I started doing musical theater and boys sobers and, you know, I was the girl that was in all the activities.

I did dance all the types of dance, um, you know, ballet, Tabby. Show choir, all of the things. Um, and I ended up getting scouted when I was 13 and a half 14 to come to LA. And I was scouted by this manager, this kind of shady manager who was scouted all these kids from all over. And I lived in this actor.

This kid actor house for most of my teenage years. Um, so I really got to experience a full kind of scope of the industry from my teenage years being, you know, many, many years ago to now, and kind of how representation has changed, how, um, my whole journey has changed, you know, from going from, oh, you can only audition for these kinds of roles where you like math and you say one thing, or like you’re the best friend or.

Of course the, like you do come through, which I’m the worst. You don’t want to see me do Kung Fu it’s it’s very, very soon. Um, but to now where we’re reaching such great things, I could never have dreamed of this, of this day happening where even meeting with, uh, you know, groups like you guys. Killing it I’m.

So I’m actually like kind of fan girling. Cause you guys are crushing it like Asian wasn’t at work all day. Like, let’s go.


Bryan: (00:03:29)   I, I think when we talked to you, it’s like, oh man, like we’re talking to Allie today. Like we kept staying up all night. We were like, oh man. How do we position the interview? Like, is there the best experience?

Cause we look at you and I start were starstruck, you know,


Ally: (00:03:41)     and, oh my gosh, stop. No, you guys are doing such amazing things. I’m I’m so in awe, uh, this next generation too, and the gen Z of it all like crushing it.


Bryan: (00:03:52)      When we look at you, you’re like the pioneer in this space or Hey, because look at you, like you are representing us in a super great light.

You started the Asian American girl club. You know what I mean? You quickly talk about that because. We see all over LA, I mean, know the impact that you have, because I feel like at this point I realize our circles are kind of mixed together. Right. And the thing that we always see is your shirt, your branding, your Instagram, like what, what, what started all of that.

Right. And, um, I want to hear how I link see your career and your perspective. And as you mentioned earlier of what you saw in the industry, right? How did it all link together and how did you get the inspiration and vision for it? Asian-American girl.


Ally: (00:04:34)      Yeah, well that’s thank you for that. You know, like I said, coming from you guys, that’s, that’s such an honor, um, you know, it’s awesome to see all of these kinds of groups and businesses and organizations kind of take shape and, you know, there really is room for all of us, which is so awesome.

And I think we’re for the first time, like learning how to unite and collaborate and really like. So, you know, I’m just always a supporter there. Um, but yeah, the AGC really did start from my kind of personal own experiences of not only growing up in the industry, but my childhood, again, being that girl who was in all of the activities, I was actually talking to another interview where like, is that.

Asian American kid thing. Like we’re just like in all of the activities, like I, you know, I don’t want to say that everyone’s like that, but I certainly was. Um, but I would always find myself quitting these clubs and I really define myself as a quitter until I got to be an adult and looking back, I realized that it really wasn’t a quitter.

I never was able to have anyone that I could have that shared sense of identity that, you know, shared story. And like, I think, you know, like even when I talk to you guys, I feel like we just know each other. Right. Because we have that, that great point of entry where we, oh, we already get each other on such a deep level of being Asian-American in this country.

So. For me, I didn’t have that. And I realized, well, you’re not a quitter. You just didn’t have anyone that you could kind of share with. So that’s, that’s really where the idea ideas stemmed from and after crazy rich Asians came out, there was such in. Incoming overflowing amount of support for Asian-Americans for what I felt was the first time.

And that was the very glass shattering moment for me. I, I felt very emotionally, um, overcome, you know, just by everything that was happening. And so for me, it was, you know, how can I take this one step further? And I just couldn’t get the name, Asian American girl club out of my head. It really has. I had no plan for it, which was very crazy for me as somebody who is very perfectionistic, like struggles with that, you know, imposter syndrome world.

Um, but I was with a couple of people. One of them being Travis, my, my incredible fiance. I was just like, just launch it and see what happens. And I was like, launch it. I don’t, I don’t even know what it is, you know? And, and so we did, we just made a logo made and I made an IgG and dropped it. And the next morning we had.

Messages from people all over the country, which later turned into people all over the world, sending in just stories or, you know, like college level dissertation essays about their identity or so I was like, what is happening? And how’d you guys do this overnight. Um, and that’s when I, I just thought, wow, this could really be something.

So many people out there who resonate with this, they didn’t even know what it was and they didn’t care. They were like, whatever it is, we want this to exist. So for me, that was, we were making, I was making, you know, we were making t-shirts from my living room, you know, just like designing them or whatever.

Um, and it really was just an organic growth. And I think that’s what makes me the happiest is. It was never anything that was planned. It was just something, uh, a mission that people really identified with and really needed at that time and still need. And it’s just been since then an organic growth. And I’m just so proud of.

Maggie: (00:07:51)       That is so, so powerful. And I love that you kind of went through this breakthrough and realization that you’re not a quitter, you know, and all you needed was community people who went through the same experiences, you just so that you could relate to them and talk with them. And I just love how, you know, not only do we see it on girls, but men wear it too.

I love seeing that. I think I see it on more than a woman. I love that so much. And I just want to know, like, what do you hope to achieve with Asian-American girl club, especially with the younger generation and younger women?


Ally: (00:08:25)      Yeah. The younger generation is, is so important to this. And especially for me, who everything I do is constantly trying to not only normalize what being an Asian-American woman means and breaking down all of that.

Oversexualization the fetishization, which has been so much a part of my life and, and my career of thinking. The only thing that mattered about me was my body. And that’s been something that has been and needs to change. And, you know, after the Atlanta shootings, we saw that, obviously this is something that is a very serious problem, and I just don’t want these younger girls, especially to feel the way that I felt.

And it was a very lonely experience. And also, I just did not know what was possible for myself until. You know, so I always say, if I can give these feelings of self-worth and confidence to these women at, you know, 10 years old, six years old, imagine all that they are going to accomplish. And they’re already these little superheroes.

I mean, like I said, gen Z is going to take over the world and. It’s so cool to see the confidence that they walk within knowing that they belong in these spaces. And that’s, I think the most important thing about Asian-American girl club is it will always be a space that is inclusive for everyone to, to have and to empower yourself and others.

And, and that’s what I think is so important about it.


Bryan: (00:09:43)      It doesn’t happen overnight. It happens with people like yourself that takes action and create the foundation for the next generation to give yourself a lot of credit. Thank you for everything you do. Yeah. This look like the work you’ve been doing. We’ve been getting, obviously being a lot, a lot more recognition lately in like these big companies and industries starting to age, like notice Asian Americans. Right. And particularly let’s talk about hit monkey. Like it’s backed by, by Marvel. It’s on it.

It’s going to be preview on Hulu for us to all see pretty soon. Let’s talk a little bit more. This. To me a huge milestone of like, when you look at the voice actor list is like a lot of Asian-American names that you recognized. Right. And just talking about your character to hit monkey, like you are this good caulk, you know, trying to do everything.

So it’s like, let’s talk more about, as we do, we know, reading your Bible and actually talking to me for the first time, it was like, okay, we do see a lot of your personality in this area. Right. So you want to talk more about hit buggy? Let’s talk, let’s talk about her.


Ally: (00:10:51)      Yeah. I mean, what a show. It is so wild, so stoked on the show guys. And I, I honestly think your guys is,  um, you know, supporters are going to really love it as well. It’s absolutely Lee, 100% a Marvel show, but at the same time, it is. Out there. It is so funny. First of all, obviously having Jason’s today, cause come in and be this kind of like wronged Hitman. That’s now a ghost.

I mean, there’s so much going on. It’s it’s hilarious to have him there, but not only that, like you said, this cast is fire, like to have a trailblazer. Like talking about honoring trailblazers, having someone like George CK and the cast. I mean, that for me means so much. And you know, I talk a lot about my family history of my grandmother was, uh, incarcerated in the interment camps when she was a teenager and, and George was actually in.

As well incarcerated in the interment camps when he was, I think, four or five or six. So to kind of like share that family history is something that means so much to me. Um, because obviously something I’m very, very passionate about. And beyond that, you know, I have Olivia Munn. Who’s another just. I spoken about Asian-American representation and someone that I will always support.

And I’m like, no, be Nakanishi which another Japanese American, which means so much because there’s, there’s not a lot of job. Uh, you know, obviously not a lot of Asian-Americans, but Japanese-Americans too, you know, there’s not a lot of us. So anytime I’m always like, where are you guys? I want to find us and connect us together.

Um, but yeah, this show is. So fun. It is so funny. The action is crazy. Um, but it’s certainly not for kids. It is a rated R production. And I always say that because a lot of kids are like, Hey, should I watch this? And I’m like, no, no, no, no, no, you should all watch this. Um, definitely not for you, but I love that because you know, I’ve done a lot of family-friendly stuff lately, which I absolutely love to my core, but it was so fun to take that left field and be like, oh, we’re going there.

You’re going to see somebody like sawed in half, you know, and it’s also going to be funny and irreverent, but also deal with themes that I think are very meaningful.


Bryan:  (00:13:05)        Yeah. I mean, the cast is like really refreshing because I know in the past, uh, Hollywood has a thing where like they cast, you know, Asian characters and have white voice actors.

Right. And this time we have Asian voice actors and that’s, to me is so important to like see and hear people in our culture that can narrate the story correctly. Cause there’s the X factor element that we always discount for. Right. It’s like, When you talk about something, when you’re playing a character nearing for a character, you emphasize things that are important, you odds is, would an Asian culture, right.

So I’m so excited. And as you mentioned, it is ready to RV watch. Uh, pretty much all the episodes were just like, well, like not really sure this isn’t for kids, you know?


Ally: (00:13:51)        Yeah, no, definitely not. Please don’t show this to your child.


Bryan:  (00:13:59)        Yeah. I mean, let’s talk, I mean, I know we talked a little bit, a little bit about hit monkey, right? And then man, like let’s, this is such a big moment for the Asian American community and we’re how do you see like, This progressing forward. Right. What do you hope to see and how do you see it progressing for, for our community to continue rising up and taking on these positions and roles and pioneer a new space for a lot of us to follow?


Ally: (00:14:25)         Yeah. I mean, I really truly believe that. The beginning for us, then I think that’s, what’s exciting is we’re all really recognizing our power for the first time. Um, I give so much credit to my friend being Chen, who was one of the founders of, of gold house. Obviously you guys all know him. And, uh, you know, he really went in and changed like the structural elements of Asian-Americans and entertainment.

Because with the gold open movement. And I think that was one of the first times alongside, uh, you know, U2 with like the AGA Rafael’s of at all and the, and one flew and, you know, those OJI who I always will pay homage to as well. You know, those are spaces where we really are. We started to understand our power and how many of us there are and how much Asian-Americans really do matter.

So I will always honor those spaces and, you know, good for being, for showing us that we can buy out theaters and we can sell out movies. And that’s really what it’s all about. So I think this is just the beginning. I think, now that we understand. Our voices and our power. And we’re all starting to come together with stuff like what you guys are doing with AEC, obviously with, with, you know, gold house, all of these incredible movements and organizations are being built really from the ground up with all of these people, um, that are in the nitty gritty of being Asian-American in Hollywood or any, you know, any of these spaces.

So I’m so excited for that. And I really think the next phase of this is just all like truly uniting and building altogether. And I think that’s going to be the most exciting part. Um, alongside just more representation in Hollywood. I mean, go see, move for Shanghai. All of that. We need our Marvel superhero.

We need more Marvel superheroes. We need all the things. And you know, that’s something we talk about a lot at AEC is the normalization, especially of Asian-American women where it’s like, no, not going to just play the best friend or the sidekick where, you know, her story doesn’t matter. Like now is the time where we need to step in and, and do leading roles, but also create our own stuff, you know, because that’s where you’re really going to get that authenticity of story.


Maggie: (00:16:41)        I love it. I mean, it really makes truly a big difference, you know, to have younger generation and little kids see these types of movies and we’re living in such a powerful moment right now. There’s just so many movies and films coming out, representing Asians and to see Asians being the main character, you know, like.

We’ve ever saw that before, you know, as like 30 year olds, we never saw that before, but for kids, younger generation to see that it makes all the difference because they truly do see people like telling these stories as Asians. Right. And we’re telling their own stories. Not, it’s not being told by other people who are not Asian.

Right. So so important. Um, and I do want to know, you know, just being in the industry since you were 14, how have you seen representation changed throughout the years and how can others who are not in the industry help with ensuring representation in Hollywood and just creating more opportunities for Asian Americans in general?


Ally: (00:17:36)         Yeah. Okay. That is like a three part question that I, I would, I would love to do like. T two-hour Ted talk on. Uh, okay. Remind what was the first part of the question?


Maggie: (00:17:49)       How have you seen representation change since being in the industry?  


Ally: (00:17:54)       Thank you. I was like, wait, wait, I want, I have all the answers. Um, I think, you know, like I said, I have such an interesting perspective because I did start so young.

I did start when I was 14 and you know, I was that girl that was like, let’s go, like, whatever it is, I’ll do whatever role it is. I, I, you know, I felt very excited just being here, but, you know, as it went on, I realized that. A lot of all that I was doing in the kind of audition room I was taking with me and my personal life.

And that’s what I think makes me really sad about representation as a whole, as I saw for myself, what it did to my own personal confidence, like I would walk into rooms and. Hang my head low and just feel like I was inferior or I would walk a little bit behind, uh, you know, somebody because I just thought, well, I don’t matter.

You know, so I really did internalize this idea that I was a sidekick, you know, that became my identity. And for that, I understand how a powerful representation can be because I truly looked at my life. Well, I don’t matter. Like, I’m just the person that like you talk to, if you, if you need something or I’m just the person you talk to, if, you know, if someone else is struggling with something and it makes me sad that people could look at Asian-Americans in that way.

And I think we have so much offer, you know, like again, Asian-American women. I mean, we’ll talk about Asian migrants all day, but Asian women also are such they’re leaders across all facets of life. If you look at beauty, fashion tech, they’re all crushing it at the highest levels. And that makes me really excited, but not getting a lot of shine for that, you know?

So if we can put shine on them in any way, that makes me happy. And so again, yeah, my focus is for these younger girls. Yes, your story does matter. And it’s so important to show these women in leading roles. Otherwise what’s going to happen is what happened to me, where essentially I felt worthless and I felt like almost secondary in all aspects of my life.

So yeah, it’s certainly something that very deeply matters to me and has changed a lot, very much changed.   


Maggie: (00:20:07)       A little bit, you’re such an inspiration Allie, and I’m sure, you know, all of the other little girls who are looking to follow the same career path or same foot path as you, they look up to you a lot.

Um, and you know, for others who are not in the industry, how can we help ensure that there is more representation for Asians in Hollywood, um, and just, you know, creating more opportunities for Asian American.


Ally: (00:20:30)       Yeah. Well, I really think it starts from, you know, behind the camera to, in front of the cameras.

Well, obviously we need more actors, like going out there and pursuing these creative fields. But again, it’s really all about building this pipeline, right? It’s showing the younger generation that you can do all of these things and that they are viable career paths as well. You know, I’m very lucky that my parents from day one, they’re like go, you know, How did your parents let you move out when you’re 14 and I’m not advocating for that at all in the slightest, but, you know, they were very supportive of me being in the, in the creative arts.

They’ve always kind of foster that great environment. So I feel very grateful for that. Um, so I think the more. That are, are paving these paths in whatever creative field they are like the you guys. I mean, how cool is this, that we’re all here doing the thing and doing it together. Um, that’s all, again, just proof that it can be done and that they are solid viable career paths.

I mean, I talked to Travis, my fiance all day, and he’s been an independent artist, his whole life. And he’s so sick of the idea of the starving artists, right. Especially for Asian American. Like, no, we can make this, uh, we can make a, an amazing living and we can support ourselves and we can bring other people with us.

So I think that’s, what’s most important is like creating the foundation internally for those pipelines to exist, but also the mindset that we can do it. Right. And not having that scarcity mindset of there’s only room for me. It’s like, no, that actually doesn’t work. If only one of us is doing it, because then you’re just on an island alone.

Hey, I’m here now. Let you know it, it takes those big structural changes, but also the community aspect of it, which is a lot of what you guys are doing is absolutely the most important part because we cannot do it alone.


Bryan:  (00:22:19)        Yeah, absolutely great. You and I like how you mentioned Travis too, because you know, he’s working with some really cool support the artist is, and you know, we meet him chat pretty daily basis.

Uh, I think that U2 makeup really powerful couple and I’m excited for what’s next.


Ally: (00:22:34)        It’s funny because he’s in the other road, like on a zoo, like all day talking about


Bryan:  (00:22:42)        it’s tough. It’s tough. What he does, uh, shout out to Travis and you’re in yourself as well.


Ally: (00:22:47)        Thank you, you guys are awesome. Not I’m so excited for all the things that we’re all doing. It just, it feels exciting to be part of this moment, right. Where we can actually make some big changes.


Bryan:  (00:23:00)        I also feel like the time is kind of right at this moment. You know, I feel like we’re asked, I maybe couple of years ago we might be a little bit too early for these type of things. And I feel like particularly with the Asian community, there’s a lot of unlearning to do because.

You know, we’re kind of grown up in a situation where we’re rooting competition, right. Whereas if you’re pitting against your siblings or cousins getting straight A’s it’s now it’s like this whole concept by the Hey, like we need to work together or we want to work together. It’s it’s growing fast and it’s spreading or over to your community a lot.

It’s not. No, we don’t think of things as a zero sum game anymore. I know you mentioned scarcity mindset and abundance mindset. We need more abundance mindset in our community. Right. And like you said, there’s enough pie for all of us to succeed and yeah.


Ally: (00:23:50)        We needed those moments, like the YouTube movement, the gold open movement to kind of prove that to us.

Cause I also think we’re like, wait, we got to see, you know, that this is going to work before, you know? And so those were really defining moments for us or like even crazy rich Asians. Right? Like that was really just a big glass shattering moment for me at least. But yeah, I just think of the most impactful moments in my life.

Going back to AEC, right. Is. Again, not having any Asian American actress, girlfriends. I mean, we all just stayed away from each other. We were like, no, there’s only room for one of us. Right? Like we can’t be friends for some reason, which is so crazy. And now literally walking and living life with, you know, this group of all Asian American actresses, um, that just complete me in ways that I’ve never had.

Any female friendship complete me. And I’m just so grateful. I can’t imagine doing something like being in this industry without them. So, you know, I think about, again, my younger self, like how did you do this without anybody that understood you? You know, that’s, it’s crazy. I don’t wish that upon anybody. I mean, I think, well, you know, um, you know, I think, again, just being raised by such strong women, like my mom was a bad ass. My grandma was a bad, I was like super resilient. And I think her background of coming from, uh, you know, being in turned, I think that she always filled me with these stories of like, you know, she never let that define her.

She never. Stop her after the camps, they were let out with $25 and a bus camp with nothing, a bus ticket with nothing to their name, you know, but she still was able to make a living, make a family, make a beautiful future for herself. So I think in, at the end of the day, I always had my AGC, you know, it was just the women who raised me.

So I think that that is they, they helped me get through.


Bryan:  (00:25:51)       And since we’re short on Tyler, when asked him more questions, One of the questions that we want to ask you. How’d you how’d, you motivate yourself to get through the darkest times because you understand that being a pioneer in any space or being the one that people will look up to and be one of the first ones that people look up to your authon dealing with an enormous amount of pressure.

And like, like most of us are, we’re all human, right. We have imposter syndrome where we look at ourselves and be like, why me? Why, why am I in this position? How to, how to, how do I harness this influence for the better? Right? And sometimes you add a lot of pressures. So the question is how do you get through these darkest times when you have the darkest thoughts and continue to motivate yourself to wake up every day and do the things that you do even at a time, we had no recognition for what you did, right? So how do you push through?  


Ally: (00:26:41)        Yeah, that’s a great question for me. That’s something I struggle with a lot because even though it feels like, you know, I am in a very. Sternal career path. Um, I’m actually a very, uh, internal person. Um, my family is very internal. We keep everything, you know, just a very Asian American thing, but Japanese Americans too, you know, it’s like you keep a lot inside.

Um, and I was very shy growing up. So doing this with something that was very uncomfortable for me, speaking out was very uncomfortable for me at first, but the more I did it and. Every time I spoke from my heart. I felt like people really understood me in a sense, and that felt very, um, You, you know, very heartwarming for me.

So I think for me, it’s just about every time I feel scared or nervous, I always reframe it in my mind that it’s not about me. Um, because I’m very like, ah, don’t, don’t look at me. It’s about the community or it’s about if one girl can be inspired by anything that I’m saying literally anything, then that means a lot to me.

So I, I do get very anxious sometimes in terms of, um, speaking out or being this role model or whatever. Um, but every time I go back to thinking about that, those young people. And what, um, just me existing could mean, you know, not being perfect, not saying exactly the right things or maybe they don’t like the project or whatever.

It doesn’t really matter. I think it’s just me continuing to pay Vaughn. I think, uh, just makes me feel like, okay, I got this, I could do it. I just have to keep going.


Maggie: (00:28:27)       I love that that’s, that actually pulls on my heartstrings a lot because I find that I’m a very internal person. I think it applies to a lot of Asian people too, because we just like to keep everything to ourselves, you know, and we all have a voice and, you know, I’m so glad that you were able to find your voice and be able to express yourself through an outlet.


Ally: (00:28:47)        Yeah. Thank you so much. And that’s why it’s so cool. You have a podcast, your voice all you know, every week. And so, but it’s weird. I don’t know. Various this, but it feels really good once you have found your voice. And once you kind of break away those stigmas of what you should say, you know, I talk a lot with my therapist about not doing what I feel like I, I should do or be, but just doing what I want, you know, and speaking from my heart and no one can take your story away from you. So.


Maggie: (00:29:18)       Absolutely. So we have one minute left. So I do want to ask where can our listeners find out more about you Allie and hit log D and the Asian American girl club.


Ally: (00:29:28)        Awesome. Uh, you guys can follow me at Allie Maki on Instagram and Twitter, uh, and make sure to check out Asian. Uh, which is

That’s where you’ll find all of our awesome merge and our events and our book club and our slack and all the things, and just know that everyone isn’t a part of the club it’s just created by us, but made for everyone. So, you know, got to get Brian a shirt t-shirt for sure. I’ll send you guys shirts. Maggie. I got you. Ran and got you. But yeah, you’re all part of teammate AGC. So thank you guys for all the support,


Bryan:  (00:30:06)       everything that you do for our community. You know, it’s a lot of unself aware sometimes, but I’m glad we’re pushing forward and getting the recognition that needs it there. Thank you, Allie. Thank you so much, Allie.


Ally: (00:30:17)        Came back to you guys. You’re doing great work.


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